Hey, everyone is Andrew Claven with this week's interview with Carl Truman. He has a new book out.

We've had Carl on before, but he's

got a really terrific new book out called To Change All Worlds, Critical Theory from Marks to McCus.

There's been a lot of histories. I've talked about this before. There's been a lot of histories

about how we got here. Michael Knowles, I know it's hard to believe, but Michael Knowles

actually wrote one. Christopher Rufo wrote a good one. Katie Gorker wrote one. What kind of philosophy brought us here? I think the best one is by Carl,

actually, the rise and triumph of the modern self. Beyond asking how we got here, I always wind up

wondering how do we get out of where we are and how do we move on. And to change all world sort of

begins to

discuss that. This is how we got to critical theory of which I all know you know something about

where you're about to find out a lot more. Carl Truman is doing spectacular work. It is,

I would even say it's unique. He is a, he is a teacher at Grove City College in Pennsylvania. He's a

fellow at the Ethics and Public Policy Center, which I think is in D.C. And Carl, it's great to see you.

It's always good to see you. Thank you for coming on. Thanks. So having me on again, Andrew,

it's always fun to see you and interact for a while. Yeah, no, it's always good talking to you. I read this book, and I was muttering compliments to you all

through it, and it's just a, it's really interesting. One of the things I like about it so much is that

it's not a political book. It's not a book that says, these are the enemies and we're the

good guys and we're going to take this on. It's a book that actually takes these theorists seriously,

which sometimes can be the most damaging thing you can do to them, but it understands that they

are addressing things that are real in the world. And I appreciate that. So maybe let's begin by

explaining to people what critical theory is exactly.

Yeah, I mean, the term, of course, is banded around a lot today and is more used than defined

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