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The Open University, the future is open. This is Eat Sleep Work Repeat to podcast about workplace culture, psychology and life. I'm Bruce Tazley. Thank you for

listening. Today's episode is kind of a revisitation of some of the themes

that we've covered before and I've probably written more on my newsletter about the four day week

Then I've covered it recently I covered it a couple of years ago with someone who returns today to talk about his practical experience.

Alex Sujung Kingpung or Alex Pang as he sometimes abbreviates himself has written a lot about our relationship with work first in his book

Rest and now in his book Work Less Do More which is a refreshed edition of his

previous book, Shorter. I chatted to him when Shorter first came out.

And the interesting thing when he was first writing about four day weeks and compressed hours

and all these different ways of working.

Was there, it was like this boutiquey thing, it was like this thing that you would

search high and low for quirky companies of pioneering firms who were trying these things.

The firms are often frequently led by Maverick bosses who just had an instinct to do something.

And so it was interesting excursion into something that was a very niche pursuit. In the last three years that has transformed

shorter working hours which like I say encompasses all manner of things like nine day fortnight, compressed hours, four day weeks, all of it, the

work the overall landscape for that is completely transformed and Alex himself has played a

critical role he's played a role for four day week global the organization in

helping to design the mechanics of programs for test firms. So I caught up with Alex at a

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