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🗓️ 27 January 2023
⏱️ 51 minutes
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0:00.0 | I'm Mr. Climb. This is the Ezra Kahn Show. |
0:23.3 | It's part of the great narrative of American politics that Donald Trump took on China. |
0:27.7 | He said China was raping us. They were cheating American businesses or taking our jobs, screw |
0:31.8 | in us over in deals. And one thing here with Trump, he didn't just talk. He actually |
0:35.8 | took action. He began a trade war. He blocked the Chinese company Huawei. He moved towards |
0:40.2 | forcing the self-tick-talk. And just fundamentally, he treated China as a threat, as a quasi-anemy, |
0:48.2 | not really as a partner. And then in 2020, whatever he says, he lost. And Joe Biden, |
0:53.6 | with his more measured rhetoric and his continuity with the Obama team, he took the White House. |
0:58.8 | But he didn't go back to the old consensus on China. He didn't roll back Donald Trump's |
1:02.8 | policies. He went way further. He's more measured in how he talks about China than Trump |
1:07.7 | was, but the places where he isn't, they're more consequential, like in his repeated |
1:11.7 | declarations about how far America will go in supporting Taiwan. Declarations his own |
1:16.4 | administration is repeatedly now walked back. And it's not just Biden. Washington as a whole |
1:22.4 | is increasingly hawkish on China. Bills like the inflation reduction act and the Chips |
1:26.6 | and Science Act, they're often framed as opposition to China. If you want to get something |
1:30.4 | done in Washington two days that is bipartisan, you frame it as competition with China. Nancy |
1:35.8 | Pelosi, she visited Taiwan against a pleas of much of Washington's foreign policy community. |
1:41.1 | There is this dynamic in Washington right now where there's a lot of consensus around China, |
1:44.7 | but always in the direction of getting more hawkish, more confrontational with Beijing. And |
1:49.4 | that is not in any way to say there aren't real reasons for that or that Beijing doesn't |
1:53.6 | hold some responsibility for that. But it is a dynamic that needs to be named and looked |
1:59.1 | at and thought about. Jessica Chen, why has been trying to do that? She's a political |
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