Hello and welcome to Coffee House Shots, The Spectators Daily Politics Podcast.

I'm Isabel Hardman and this is the Sunday Roundup.

This week, Kirstama and Health Secretary West Streeting announced their bold and

risky plan to abolish NHS England, which Stama has said will cut bureaucracy and bring

management of the NHS back into democratic control. Today on Sky News, Streeting told

Trevor Phillips that the NHS was addicted to overspending.

And in the case of NHS England, what we've had in the NHS for some years now is effectively two headquarters.

And if you compare the size of those two organisations combined, about 19,000 people, double what it was in 2010 when we're delivering the shortest waiting times and the highest patient satisfaction ever.

So what we're doing by abolishing NHS England

is making sure that we've got one head office,

a smaller, leaner, more efficient head office,

saving hundreds of millions of pounds to put towards the front line,

delivering better care for patients and better value for taxpayers.

You said that he wouldn't do top-down reorganisation. Well, to some extent you're doing that.

But I just want to ask you very quickly about something else. Is it right that Jim Mackie,

the head of the NHS England, has written to local health board demanding that they produce plans for a 50% reduction

in their spending?

In Integrated Care Board, yes, with a particular focus on management costs.

Cutting half?

We came, myself and Jim, are confronting a financial planning round for the year ahead, where

systems returned financial plans to us that would have involved a overspend between

five and six billion pounds before the new financial year has even begun. And I'm afraid this

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