Isabel Hardman's Sunday Roundup - 30/03/2025
Coffee House Shots
The Spectator
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🗓️ 30 March 2025
⏱️ 17 minutes
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Former Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby gives his first interview since stepping down last year, and says he forgives John Smyth. Sentebale chair Sophie Chandauka accuses Prince Harry of ‘bullying at scale’. And Labour are questioned over immigration and the chancellor’s Spring Statement.
Produced by Joe Bedell-Brill.
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| 0:00.0 | Hello and welcome to Coffee House Shots, The Spectator's Daily Politics podcast. |
| 0:14.3 | I'm Isabel Hardman and this is the Sunday Roundup. |
| 0:18.3 | On the BBC this morning, former Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, gave his first interview |
| 0:23.0 | since resigning in November last year. Laura Coonsberg asked Welby if he felt he could forgive |
| 0:29.0 | serial abuser John Smythe. Your career is Archbishop of Canterbury. The most senior job |
| 0:35.4 | anybody in your position could have dreamt of ended in a very public and a very |
| 0:39.2 | painful way but you've mentioned today and you've written and talked before a lot about forgiveness |
| 0:45.5 | would you like the victims of john smith to forgive you obviously but it's not about me. |
| 0:55.0 | When we talk about safeguarding, the centre of it is the other victims and survivors. |
| 1:02.0 | I have never ever said to a survivor, you must forgive, because that is their sovereign absolute individual choice |
| 1:16.6 | everyone wants to be forgiven but to demand forgiveness is to abuse again |
| 1:26.6 | the making report though the official report into this does suggest it says it's |
| 1:30.3 | really unlikely that you didn't know anything before 2013. |
| 1:34.3 | I, you can believe it or not, I did not have a clue. |
| 1:39.3 | You wrote, to forgive is not to pretend that nothing's happened. |
| 1:43.3 | It's the opposite. |
| 1:45.2 | It accepts the full weight of the wrong. |
| 1:48.6 | Do you forgive John Smith? |
| 1:53.2 | Yes. |
| 1:54.9 | I think if he was alive and I saw him, |
| 2:01.4 | but it's not me, he's abused. |
| 2:06.6 | He's abused the victims and survivors. |
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