Israel’s escalating internal debates — with Haviv Rettig Gur

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🗓️ 22 January 2024

⏱️ 51 minutes

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In today’s weekly check-in with Haviv Rettig Gur from the Times of Israel, we discuss intensifying debates within Israel over the leadership of the government, how to reconcile seemingly irreconcilable war aims as Israel transitions to a new phase in the war, is there an actual disagreement on concrete policy objectives between different members of the War Council, and what to make of the growing protest movement. If you are in London on Monday, January 22, Haviv and Dan will be in conversation at 7:30 pm at JW3. Details here: https://www.jw3.org.uk/genius-israel#

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0:00.0	The reason that that is evaporating is that Netanyahu in one sense or another since October 7th has never stopped campaigning.
0:11.0	And so he now has been launching this campaign against a Palestinian state.
0:18.0	Not because there is any danger that somebody's going to figure out how to build a Palestinian state in the next three weeks.
0:24.0	He is now launching a campaign against a Palestinian state,
0:27.0	no matter the interests of the Israeli country in wartime,
0:30.0	no matter what those soldiers are doing in Gaza, no matter who's suffering, no matter how many tens of thousands of Israeli families are living in hotels,
0:36.0	he's launching it because that is his election campaign to make sure that the far right doesn't abandon him.
0:42.0	The hundred thousand people who came to the hostage... to make sure that the far right doesn't abandon him.
0:42.6	The 100,000 people who came to the hostage family protest in Tel Aviv
0:46.9	are people smelling this campaign and saying, wait, on our backs in wartime, he's going to try to survive by repolarizing us all by
0:55.9	pretending that this is a fight about a Palestinian state and so the politics are back and that
1:02.1	I think is dangerous and cause for concern and frustration.
1:07.4	Our elites are failing us even as our soldiers are at the front, even as our society is as strong as any society has ever been in wartime. It's Sunday January 21st at 6 p.m. in New York City. It's 1 a.m. on Monday, January 23rd in Israel.
1:37.0	Today we have our weekly check-in with Haviv Retigur from the Times of Israel. In the past week there has been growing debate
1:45.5	within Israel a debate about what it means to actually meet the war's objectives that
1:52.1	is eradicating Hamas, its leadership, and its fighters,
1:56.2	destroying its military infrastructure that has been built above ground but mostly underground
2:01.8	over the last couple of decades and securing Israel's border with
2:06.1	Gaza while also returning all of the Israeli hostages.
2:11.3	This debate is occurring as it appears that the IDF is zeroing in on Hamas's leadership inside Gaza,
2:19.0	but so the assumption goes, some subset of the Israeli hostages are being used by Hamas to protect Hamas's leadership from the IDF.
2:30.0	This internal debate is playing out in protests in Tel Aviv and in public statements by IDF generals
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