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The Good Fight

Ivan Krastev on American Decline

The Good Fight

Yascha Mounk

News

4.6 • 907 Ratings

🗓️ 23 April 2025

⏱️ 79 minutes

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Summary

Ivan Krastev is the chairman of the Centre for Liberal Strategies and Albert Hirschman Permanent Fellow at the Institute for Human Sciences, IWM Vienna. His books include Is it Tomorrow, Yet? After Europe, and The Light that Failed: A Reckoning, which was co-authored by Stephen Holmes. In this week’s conversation, Yascha Mounk and Ivan Krastev explore how Donald Trump is—and isn’t—similar to Mikhail Gorbachev, the impact of the Trump revolution, and whether we’ve finally reached the end of history. If you have not yet signed up for our podcast, please do so now by following this link on your phone. Email: [email protected] Podcast production by Mickey Freeland and Leonora Barclay. Connect with us! Spotify | Apple | Google X: @Yascha_Mounk & @JoinPersuasion YouTube: Yascha Mounk, Persuasion LinkedIn: Persuasion Community Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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First is, if this is a revolution, revolution is changing the identity of all players.

0:35.6

No political party or actor is going to get out of the

0:40.3

revolution in the way it started. You can have Lenin after Kerensky. You cannot have Kerensky after Lenin.

0:47.0

It is a totally different story and the Democratic Party is going to be as dramatically transformed

0:53.2

by the Trumpian revolution for good or for that in the way the Republican Party is going to be as dramatically transformed by the Trumpian revolution for good or for bad

0:55.4

in the way the Republican Party is.

0:59.8

And now the Good Fight with Yasha Monk.

1:08.9

Well, you are in for an intellectual feast today to help us make sense of the dizzying developments around the world.

1:17.2

And in the United States, I asked one of my favorite semi-regular podcast guests to come back on the show.

1:25.6

Ivan Krustath, as many of you will know,

1:28.6

is the chairman of the Center for Liberal Strategies in Sofia,

1:31.4

a permanent fellow at the Institute of Human Sciences in Vienna,

1:35.2

and just one of the most surprising original commentators

1:42.2

on how to understand the world.

1:45.0

We had a conversation about whether there are parallels between the United States today and the

1:51.7

Soviet Union in the late 1980s, whether we should think of Donald Trump as a kind of Goberchop

1:58.2

figure or perhaps Goberachev in reverse,

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