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The Good Fight

Sarah Longwell on What Voters Really Think

The Good Fight

Yascha Mounk

News

4.6907 Ratings

🗓️ 26 April 2025

⏱️ 67 minutes

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Yascha Mounk and Sarah Longwell also discuss who—if anyone—can save the Democrats. Sarah Longwell is the publisher of The Bulwark, which she helped found in 2019. She regularly conducts focus groups with voters across the political spectrum and hosts the podcast “The Focus Group,” which is in its fifth season, and co-hosts “The Next Level” podcast and “The Secret Podcast.” In this week’s conversation, Yascha Mounk and Sarah Longwell discuss which voter segments support Donald Trump, what might change their minds, and which potential candidates could help the Democratic Party stage a comeback. If you have not yet signed up for our podcast, please do so now by following ⁠this link on your phone⁠. Email: [email protected] Podcast production by Jack Shields and Leonora Barclay. Connect with us! ⁠Spotify⁠ | ⁠Apple⁠ | ⁠Google⁠ X: ⁠@Yascha_Mounk⁠ & ⁠@JoinPersuasion⁠ YouTube: ⁠Yascha Mounk⁠, ⁠Persuasion⁠ LinkedIn: ⁠Persuasion Community Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

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0:27.6

There's a lot of voters I listen to who talk about Trump and they say like, well, I think he transcends politics, right?

0:35.6

They feel like he himself is not as much

0:38.4

of a political figure, but I could see a lot of the voters in the way they talk about him,

0:41.8

liking somebody like AOC. Like, they would find her authentic, they would find her radical,

0:47.4

they would find her energetic. And now the good fight with Yasha Monk.

1:03.6

Trump has been in office for about 100 days at this point. And one of the questions that I've been asking myself is how Americans are responding to his presidency.

1:12.5

Are they satisfied with what he's doing, or are they growing concerned?

1:16.9

Are they running away from him?

1:20.1

Now, one way to answer that is to look at top-line opinion polls,

1:23.6

and those show, as I'm recording this introduction,

1:25.8

but about 50-51% of Americans disapprove of Trump, about 45% approve of him.

1:32.7

That is a significant decline of course over the last months, but not yet in territory that is deeply concerning to him.

1:39.9

But another way of getting at this is to listen to what voters are actually saying when you give

1:44.7

them the chance to talk at greater length if you actually have a deep conversation with them.

1:50.5

And nobody does that better than Sarah Longwell.

1:55.7

Sarah, who's been on this podcast a few times in the past, is the founder and publisher of the bulwark.

2:04.4

She was a longtime Republican, one of the founders of the Lock Cabin Republicans, who has run

2:11.4

a lot of important groups criticizing Trump over the last years. And she is a master of the focus group, as many of you who

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