Alex, what is a bong?

A bong. A bong is a big peeton, so named for the sound that it makes when you bonging into the crack.

But I feel like it's maybe a little bit dated now.

Yeah. Skylar, who is our producer here on the show, was editing today's episode, and he's like's like turns to me as like what is a bong

and i was like do we need to have like a conversation about drugs right now or like that's amazing

i think that for a modern climber who started climbing in the last few years it's really hard to

appreciate how different climbing was in the 1960s. You don't have a harness.

You don't have a belated ice.

You're literally just wrapping the rope around your waist and holding onto it to try to catch people.

And then there's no climbing gear, really.

And so you're using petons, like basically just big chunks of metal and just hammering them into cracks.

And so you have a sling around your shoulder with a bunch of chunks of metal hanging

off it, and then you have a hammer hanging off your side. And you're wearing basically work

boots, and you have a rope tied around your waist. And so it's all just way more extreme and

sort of physical than what we think of as rock climbing now. I mean, rock climbing now, ideally is sort

of balletic or, you know, like a,

like this beautiful artistic dance up the wall. But 1960s climbing is not beautiful and artistic.

It's just like groveling up wide cracks and hammering away. It's all much more blue color. It's

like hard manual labor. Today's guest has essentially been climbing the entire duration of modern climbing.

She was part of the in-between generation that connected Royal Robbins, Fred Becky, Yvonne

Janard to the Stone Masters.

Alex, who is Jamie Logan?

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