Hello and welcome to the Bollard podcast.

I'm your host, Tim Miller.

Super pumped to have a reporter today who is focused on something that I'm obsessed with.

He's the investigative reporter for Bloomberg Businessweek in Bloomberg News and author of Number

Go Up Inside Crypto's Wild Rise and Staggering Fall out now in Paperback.

It's Zeke Fox to talk all things crypto.

How you doing, Zeke?

Great. Thanks for having me on, Tim.

Dude, thanks for doing this. I'm obsessed with this.

I'm of the view that the crypto scams will probably be a top three to five story of the Trump

years when all is all is said and done. And I think that a lot of the media outlets don't

give this quite as much attention because like the demographics of the news consumers don't

overlap with crypto world much. A lot of them don't really even understand it.

And then a lot of the people in journalists world have such contempt or just like culturally or separate from the types of folks that are really into crypto.

And so it leads to like not getting ignored.

And obviously you're not ignoring it.

But I'm wondering if you kind of agree with my assessment of obviously i would assume you agree that this

is undercovered since it's your beat i wonder what you think about that about my assessment for why

definitely i mean the crypto guys are very good at making it seem like they have a lot of jargon

they make it seem like there's some sort of really complicated and important technology that

we're talking

about. And it makes you thinking to your back of your mind if you don't know that much about this.

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