Hi everyone. I'm thrilled to be here with Jens Stoltenberg, who just finished off as a Secretary General in NATO.

And before NATO, he was the Prime Minister of Norway.

Warm welcome, Jens.

Thank you so much for having me.

So I'm having here, you know, a book which you wrote, which came out eight years ago,

which basically covered the period until 10 years ago.

And it's got a beautiful picture of you on the front here.

But just what are the most important changes in the world since that book came out?

The most important changes, at least related to my task and my responsibilities in NATO,

is that the world has become more dangerous. That's the bad news. The good news is that the world has become more dangerous.

That's the bad news.

The good news is that NATO has become stronger to protect close to one billion people.

Of course, there are many other changes, but seen from a security perspective, we have now a full-scale war in Europe.

We have a new, very devastating conflict in the Middle East, risk of escalation.

And we have significantly more global rivalry between great powers, United States, China.

And then we have cyber-hybrided terrorist threats

as a constant threat of security.

So fundamentally, we live in a more unpredictable, more dangerous world than we have done for decades.

If we cover some of these points here, so how do you think the Ukraine situation will end?

What's the most like?

Wars are by nature extremely unpredictable, so therefore I will be very careful predicting how that will end.

But, of course, we all want this war to end.

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