Hello, everyone. I'm Jinx Monsoon and welcome to a brand new episode of High Jinx with me, Jinx Monsoon.

Today, my guest is not only a drag race alum from an international franchise.

They are also a close personal friend of many, many years, so expect a very, very candid conversation today.

It's Joe Black joining me on today's episode. We're going to talk about our mutual love of Cabaret,

what it was like growing up in his tiny little town in England, and we're also going to talk about the moment,

heard round the world. Yes, when Joe Black wore an H&M dress and a group haul brought hell down on him.

All of that today, and more on a brand new episode of High Jinx.

So buckle up, hunker down, and sink your teeth into some brand new High Jinx.

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Hello, everyone. I'm Jinx Monsoon, and welcome to High Jinx, a podcast where I,

an internationally tolerated drag superstar, get to interview compelling and fascinating people about how they became who they are,

and why they do what they do. Today, we are joined by musician, drag performer, drag queen.

It's just drag queen in my notes, so then I changed it to drag. Oh my god, let me try again.

I'm not a drag queen. You're right, right? Okay, I'm going to, I'm going to say it again, cleanly.

Maybe we'll keep it all in. Okay, whatever. Today we are joined by musician, drag performer, and cabaret artist, Joe Black. Hi, Joe Black.

Hi, Jinx.

So let's, let's be clear real quick. You consider yourself a drag performer because I consider myself a cabaret performer.

Oh, okay, first first of all, but so the term queen doesn't necessarily resonate with you because though you oftentimes are extremely feminine in presentation, your drag is more of a gender.

gender less person, I guess. Yes, I'm not there's no, there's no intention of femininity, any, any feminine,

wilds that people may get from it or if that's all their problem, I'm not trying to do that.

That's not, you know, that's not, that's not my issue.

If they look at me and go, what a gorgeous woman. I'm over here looking like a mad old by my sex clown, and that's the way it's meant to be.

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