Storms for me have been survivable because I have viewed them as relational. And I think that the

same thing transfers to every season of our life, whether that's Christmas or Easter or summer

or grieving or rejoicing or opportunity or failure. These seasons that come in our life,

and there are seasons because they have a beginning and they

have a day pass in time. They can be survivable if we view them relationally.

I sure did like getting to hug you a few months ago in person.

That was so fun.

Incredible.

It was a great retreat.

Dr. Alicia Britt Scholey is back on Joe today, speaker, author, leadership mentor.

Alicia and I got to actually be on a retreat, and that's what I'm referring to.

You know, I was trying to think about how many, how many times that weekend, Alicia saw me cry.

And we'd be up into the double digits. I used many Kleenexes that weekend. And we bonded.

We bonded.

That's true.

It was a really sweet time.

Your authenticity is always there, Lisa.

That's what I really respect about you.

Just through and through.

Well, you know, for me, it was especially sweet because, you know, you're someone that I have

admired via your writing for years.

I told you that the last time you were on.

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