Judging Sam: Ellison Testimony Wraps Up
Against the Rules with Michael Lewis
Pushkin Industries
4.6 • 9.8K Ratings
🗓️ 13 October 2023
⏱️ 20 minutes
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Summary
Caroline Ellison, former co-CEO of Alameda Research and Sam Bankman-Fried’s ex-girlfriend, spent 3 days on the stand this week. Ellison recently pled guilty to financial fraud, and is cooperating with the prosecution.
In this episode Lidia Jean Kott discusses Caroline’s testimony with Jacob Goldstein, financial reporter and author of the book Money.
This conversation was recorded in the evening on October 12.
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| 0:00.0 | A series of strange and violent deaths rocked Osage County Oklahoma a century ago. |
| 0:15.0 | Sisters Rita, Mini, Anna and their mother Lizzie all left behind lucrative rights to the |
| 0:20.0 | oil beneath Osage land, while lawman Tom White was horrified by the chilling plot he uncovered. |
| 0:26.5 | Join me, Tim Harford, host of the Corscht Retails Podcast, for my new two-parter on the Osage |
| 0:32.0 | Killings, the story behind the book and film Killers of the Flower Moon. |
| 0:36.5 | Part one is available now wherever you get your podcasts. |
| 0:39.5 | Hey there, it's Michael Lewis. |
| 0:41.1 | Before we get to this episode, I want to let you know that you can listen to each episode |
| 0:44.9 | of Judging Sam, the trial of Sam Beckman-Free, ad-free by becoming a Pushkin Plus subscriber. |
| 0:52.1 | And with your subscription, you'll also get exclusive access to ad-free and early |
| 0:56.1 | bingeable podcasts, like Paul McCartney's new podcast McCartney, a life in lyrics. |
| 1:02.3 | Malcolm Gladwell's revisionist history, the happiness lab from Dr. Laurie Santos, and tons |
| 1:08.1 | of other top shows from Pushkin. |
| 1:10.5 | Sign up in Apple Podcasts or pushkin.fm-slash-plus. |
| 1:17.7 | Welcome to Judging Sam, the trial of Sam Beckman-Free. |
| 1:21.1 | I'm Michael Lewis. |
| 1:22.9 | Beckman-Free was worth tens of billions of dollars before FKX, his cryptocurrency exchange, |
| 1:28.1 | came apart at the seams. |
| 1:30.2 | And now he's being tried for financial crimes that could send him to prison for the rest of his life. |
| 1:35.5 | Jacob Goldstein hosts today. |
| 1:37.8 | I'm Jacob Goldstein, sitting in once again for Michael Lewis. |
| 1:40.8 | I'm an economics reporter. |
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