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Against the Rules with Michael Lewis

Judging Sam: Sam Bankman-Fried Faces Cross-Examination

Against the Rules with Michael Lewis

Pushkin Industries

Business, Society & Culture, Sports

4.69.8K Ratings

🗓️ 31 October 2023

⏱️ 16 minutes

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Summary

Sam Bankman-Fried finishes direct and faces withering cross-examination by the government’s chief prosecutor, Danielle Sassoon. Michael Lewis and Lidia Jean Kott share notes during lunch, then Lidia Jean sits down with Pushkin financial reporter and host Jacob Goldstein to talk through the day’s events.

This conversation was recorded on October 30.

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0:00.0

Hey listeners, if you're in the Bay Area in California, you ought to come out on Monday

0:13.8

November the 13th to the Sydney Goldstein Theatre in San Francisco.

0:18.3

On that night, I'll be on stage during a live event, talking about my new book, Going

0:22.7

Infinite, The Rise and Fall of a New Tycoon.

0:26.2

The book is about Sam Beckman Freed and the spectacular Rise and Fall of his crypto

0:31.1

exchange FTX.

0:33.0

I had really almost unlimited access and it's an incredible story and I can't wait to

0:37.6

tell you about it.

0:38.8

It's at 7.30 pm on Monday November the 13th and presented by City Arts and Lectures.

0:44.8

For more information on attending live, purchasing tickets or watching online, visit cityarts.net.

0:51.4

I'm looking forward to seeing you there.

0:55.5

I'm Jacob Goldstein sitting in for Michael Lewis.

0:58.3

It's Monday October 30th and this morning, the defense finished questioning Sam Beckman

1:03.4

Freed and the prosecution started its cross-examination.

1:07.6

Lydia Jean-Cott and Michael were both at the courthouse and at the lunch break, they talked

1:11.7

about what happened this morning.

1:13.7

Okay, I'm here with Michael Lewis outside of the courthouse.

1:17.9

Yes, Lydia Jean.

1:18.9

We just spent the morning listening to first Sam Beckman Freed under Direct, which was

1:24.7

more of the same and it's boring if you read the book because it's just like it's just

1:29.4

telling the story and then the prosecution has now had a chance to cross-examine him for

1:35.0

an hour and a half and it feels relentless but there's not a lot of information coming

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