I'm Paul Muldoon, a poet who, over the past several years, has had the good fortune

to record ours of conversations with one of the world's greatest songwriters, Sir

Paul McCartney.

The result is our new podcast McCartney, A Life in lyrics.

Welcome to Judging Sam, our podcast about the trial of Sam Bankman Freed.

We were in the courtroom today, October the 27th.

It was me, Michael Lewis, one of your hosts, and Lydia Jean-Cott, who's actually kind

of running the show, and we've just come out.

So this is a hot take, like I haven't had a whole lot of time to process what happened,

but I had random sort of reactions to things, and I've tried to kind of order them in

my head a bit.

So LJ, here's the first question I want to ask, if you were just to explain to like your

mother the significance of today, how would you sort of frame it for?

So today was the first day that Sam Bankman Freed was on the stand, that the jury was

present for, and his defense lawyers did direct examination with him, which is means that

they were able to draw out of him his side of the story.

And they drew out of the side of the story in a way that sort of followed mostly the

plot of my book about it, that they walked him through his life, and took us all the

way through to kind of almost the crisis.

We didn't quite get to the crisis.

We got to the kind of latest kind of September of last year.

Exactly.

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