Judging Sam: The jury's job

Against the Rules with Michael Lewis

Pushkin Industries

Business, Society & Culture, Sports

4.6 • 9.8K Ratings

🗓️ 2 November 2023

⏱️ 23 minutes

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CORRECTION: In an earlier version of this episode, our guest incorrectly stated that in the case of a hung jury, a defendant cannot be retried without risking double jeopardy. This is incorrect. If the jury hangs, then the defendant can be retried. We have edited the episode to remove this and apologize for the error.

It’s nearly time for the jury to begin their deliberations. They’ll file into a backroom at the courthouse, and SBF’s fate will be in their hands. But what goes on behind those doors? How will the jury get to its verdict? Trial consultant Ellen Leggett returns to the show to talk through the process with Lidia Jean Kott.

This conversation was recorded on October 27 and updated on November 1.

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0:00.0	Hey listeners, if you're in the Bay Area in California, you ought to come out on Monday
0:13.8	November the 13th to the Sydney Goldstein Theatre in San Francisco.
0:18.3	On that night, I'll be on stage during a live event, talking about my new book, Going
0:22.7	Infinite, The Rise and Fall of a New Tycoon.
0:26.2	The book is about Sam Beckman Freed and the spectacular Rise and Fall of his crypto
0:31.1	exchange FTX.
0:33.0	I had really almost unlimited access and it's an incredible story and I can't wait to
0:37.6	tell you about it.
0:38.8	It's at 7.30 pm on Monday November the 13th and presented by City Arts and Lectures.
0:44.8	For more information on attending live, purchasing tickets or watching online, visit cityarts.net.
0:51.4	I'm looking forward to seeing you there.
0:57.2	I'm Lydia Jean-Cott, it's the evening of November 1st and today we had closing arguments.
1:04.1	The prosecutor, Nicholas Rose, started by saying that Sam Beckman Freed used customer
1:09.6	funds, that he knew it was wrong and that he thought he could get away with it because
1:14.6	he was smart.
1:16.5	That ends with you, Rose told the members of the jury.
1:20.8	Mark Cohen, Sam Beckman Freed's defense attorney, also focused on Sam's intent.
1:26.9	He reminded the jury that, quote, good faith is a complete defense against all the charges.
1:34.4	And he also cast out on the testimony of the cooperating witnesses.
1:39.2	If they were all in a criminal conspiracy together, he asked, how come they all found out
1:43.8	that Alameda was using customer funds at different times in different ways?
1:49.5	As Cohen was finishing up, I noticed that for the first time in a while, Sam Beckman Freed
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