Alex, do you feel like there's been chapters in your career?

Like when you look back, are there very delineated periods of time?

It's hard to say.

I don't really know if I have chapters.

I have pre-free solo and post-free solo for sure.

And then I also have years where I have sort of climbing performance years versus

climbing adventure years. Some years I went

on way more expeditions and just traveled more. And then other years where I buckled down at home

and trained harder and tried to climb my hardest. So I sort of alternated styles a little bit,

but I don't know about chapters. A lot of people do go through that where they'll be like, oh yeah,

that was the time where I was spending a lot of time in the valley or, you know, where I was like really in a sport climbing or a period where I was the peak of my capabilities.

And it's interesting because I think we've been doing this show long enough now that some of the people we've talked to in that first year have gone through like a segment or a chapter in their career and lives.

Yeah, though often I feel like you can't really tell chapters until much later in somebody's life

when you can start to see it in retrospect.

Though I feel like in this case, our guest has definitely turned a page into a new chapter.

It feels like it's hard to say, but suddenly has just come seemingly back out of nowhere.

I don't know, when we talked to him four years ago, I felt like he was in a wildly different place.

And talking to him this time, it's so exciting.

It's interesting to see.

It's just a whole different thing.

So, Kai Leitner, he was a phenom. He was one of those people that came onto the scene at a pretty young age in their lives and

was turning heads.

...