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Clear+Vivid with Alan Alda

Kashmir Hill: Your Face Belongs to Us

Clear+Vivid with Alan Alda

Bobi NYC

Science, Society & Culture, Comedy

4.83.5K Ratings

🗓️ 19 September 2023

⏱️ 40 minutes

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Summary

That’s the title of a new book by New York Times technology reporter Kashmir Hill. Her book is both deeply researched and downright scary, as spelled out in the book’s subtitle: A Secretive Start-Up’s Quest to End Privacy As We Know it. A glimpse of your face in any photo you’ve ever uploaded can now lead to anyone discovering details of your life – both on-line and out there in the world.

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0:00.0

This program is sponsored by the Covley Foundation based in Los Angeles, California.

0:06.8

The Covley Foundation is dedicated to advancing science for the benefit of humanity.

0:11.8

I'm Alan Alder, and this is Clear and Vivid, Conversations about Connecting and Communicating.

0:27.0

I remember one photo was a woman in profile kind of walking on a sidewalk in the background of someone else's photo.

0:35.0

And I didn't think it was me at first until I saw the jacket, I kind of focused on the jacket I was wearing.

0:41.6

And it was from an American vintage store in Tokyo that is a very distinctive jacket that I've never seen anyone else wearing.

0:49.9

And I said, wow, that's me, even though I can't even recognize myself in that photo, or remember where it was walking.

0:57.0

It's kind of incredible what the technology is capable of now in terms of when it can recognize you in a photo.

1:04.0

That's Cashmere Hill.

1:06.0

She's a reporter for The New York Times who's been exploring how technology that has become indispensable is also eroding our privacy.

1:15.0

When she was last on Clear and Vivid a year or so ago, she mentioned the story she had broken in early 2020.

1:22.0

It was about an obscure startup that had created an app that could end privacy as we know it.

1:28.0

She's back to tell us more about that company and the book she's written about it with the disturbing title, Your Face Belongs to Us.

1:37.0

Thank you so much for coming back on the show.

1:40.0

Oh, thanks for having me back, Ellen.

1:42.0

You seem like such a nice person, but you write really scary books.

1:46.0

It's true. It's true. It's not a heartwarming tale.

1:50.0

This one called Your Face Belongs to Us. That title is scary enough. Then you get into the book.

1:55.0

You find out it's not just your face.

1:57.0

It's pretty much everything that's possible to know about you belongs to them.

2:02.0

Who is them? Is it just this one company Clearview or are there a bunch of them now?

2:07.0

So Clearview AI is kind of my entry into the book.

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