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I'm Alan Alder, and this is Clear and Vivid, Conversations about Connecting and Communicating.

You know, I often think of Dreamsleep as a Google search gone wrong.

Let's say that, you know, I type into Google, Alan Alder, and the first page is all of

your incredible back catalogue of accomplishments.

But then I go to page 20, and it's about a field hockey game in Utah.

And I think, hang on a second, what an earth is.

But if I read it and I look, there's a very distant, very non-obvious association.

When you start to collect things together that shouldn't normally go together, it sounds

like the biological basis of creativity.

And no wonder as a consequence, no one has ever told you, you know, Alan, you should

really stay awake on a problem.

That's Matthew Walker.

He's the ultimate sleep guru.

He's the author of a best-selling book called Why We Sleep.

And he's the host of the Mac Walker podcast, where he addresses just about every question

about sleep you've ever asked, which is why I began our conversation with an urgent question

of my own.

This is really important that you're here today, because I'm groggy today, and I need

a diagnosis.

Here's what happens.

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