Lawfare Daily: Escalation, Episode One: Chicken Kyiv

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🗓️ 3 April 2025

⏱️ 39 minutes

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For today’s episode, we’re bringing you the opening episode of our podcast Escalation. Escalation is a multi-part narrative podcast hosted by Lawfare Managing Editor Tyler McBrien and Ukraine Fellow Anastasiia Lapatina. Escalation lays bare the stakes of the Russo-Ukrainian War through powerful storytelling and compelling voices. It reveals forgotten promises and fragile alliances that have shaped the U.S.-Ukraine relationship and how the decisions of policymakers in Washington, Kyiv, and Moscow have global consequences.

In Episode One: Chicken Kiev: The world watches the Cold War end and the Soviet Union break apart. And after centuries of Russian rule, Ukrainians may soon have their independence back. But in Washington, there’s fear that that independence could actually make the world more dangerous.

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0:25.2	Lawfare No Bull, and The Aftermath. It's the Lawfare podcast. I'm Benjamin Wittes,
0:35.2	editor-in-chief of Lawfare. We've got something different for you today.
0:39.8	It's the opening episode of our podcast, Escalation, which is currently running on the
0:47.5	Lawfare Presents Channel.
0:50.1	Escalation is a multi-part narrative podcast hosted by my colleagues, Tyler McBrien and Anastasia
0:58.8	Lapitna. It covers the history of U.S.-Ukrainian relations from the time of Ukrainian independence
1:06.5	through the present.
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1:42.3	Hey there, folks. I'm Scott R. Anderson, senior editor and host of the Rational
1:46.3	Security podcast here at Lawfare. I spend most of my time here at Lawfare on pretty serious
1:50.6	stuff, foreign relations, the use of military force, economic sanctions, that sort of thing.
1:54.7	Today, I want to talk to you about something else serious, how to keep our work at Lawfare
1:58.6	going strong during this incredibly important time.
2:01.6	I'm proud of the work we do, providing in-depth, non-partisan analysis of the hard national
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