Hello, this is Emma Ganon, and thank you for listening to this podcast. I just wanted to let you know that my new book, The Success Myth, Letting Go of Having It All, is out on May the 18th.

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Hello, and welcome back to Control Out Delete. This is an oldie, but a goodie with a writer and director, Lena Dunham.

It was recorded back in 2017, which feels a long time ago now, but it was an absolute pleasure to get to hang out with Lena in her hotel room in London when she was here.

It was an exciting, sunny morning for me. I remember it really well.

So I'm really pleased to replay it for you, so I hope you enjoy listening.

I feel like there have been internet friends for like five years.

Well, I wanted to talk to you about that, because I feel like we connected in a really natural, weird way.

Actually, I just woke up realizing that you followed me back, and I had to lie down on the floor for like five minutes and calm myself down.

Well, sometimes you get a tweet, and you're just like, this person's really, I mean, I don't, to be totally honest, I haven't been on Twitter by myself in like two years.

Like, it's always like somebody guiding me in to do one like Q&A, and then you getting the fuck out of there.

It was a different world back then.

But back then it was the innocent days before you got, you know, bombarded by Milo Unopolis as followers or whatever it is that happens now.

And I just remember seeing a tweet from you and being like, that's funny and funny.

And then going to your page and just being like, oh, I feel like this girl is living the life I would have if I were just to recituate myself across the pond.

I was like, I've already looked at you and I were like, like, rocking the same, like, haircut vibes.

Like, and I was just like, well, this is my friend, follow.

Oh, it was the best, but I feel like back then it was more normal to kind of maybe message people off the cuff.

I feel like, have you changed your, I guess you have changed the way that you use social media now, perhaps.

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