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Death, Sex & Money

Life After Blowing It All Up: A Sugar Baby Story Revisited

Death, Sex & Money

Slate Podcasts

Business, Health & Fitness, Society & Culture, Careers, Relationships, Sexuality

4.67.6K Ratings

🗓️ 18 March 2025

⏱️ 50 minutes

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Summary

In 2020, we made an episode about a listener who cheated on his wife with sex workers and was going through a divorce. He told us the idea to go on the website Seeking Arrangement came from an episode we made about sugar babies. A few weeks ago we called “Ethan” back to see what’s changed in his life since our first conversation, and how he navigates discussions about his past infidelity with his new wife. Death, Sex & Money is now produced by Slate! To support us and our colleagues, please sign up for our membership program, Slate Plus! Members get ad-free podcasts, bonus content on lots of Slate shows, and full access to all the articles on Slate.com. Sign up today at slate.com/dsmplus. And if you’re new to the show, welcome. We’re so glad you’re here. Find us and follow us on Instagram and you can find Anna’s newsletter at annasale.substack.com. Our new email address, where you can reach us with voice memos, pep talks, questions, critiques, is [email protected]. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

We get a lot of our stories from our listener inbox. You tell us about things you're going through that spark new ideas for us, or you react to questions that we put out. Like right now, you are sending us love stories that's started by a chance meeting in real life, not by online dating. We've asked you to tell us how you sized someone up without a profile to guide you.

0:24.1

If you have one of these stories, you can send it to us in an email or record a voice memo and send it to us at death sex money at slate.com.

0:32.6

And when we ask you these kinds of big open questions, our hope is that will inspire you to reach out with a particular specific story that's about something a lot of us have gone through in some way.

0:45.3

What we don't actively try to do with our stories and questions is to scold you or to trigger you to blow up your life.

0:53.2

But we do get notes about how our show has affected

0:56.5

decisions you've made. One memorable example is from 2019 when we got an email in our inbox

1:03.4

with the subject line, Sugar Babies cost me $8,000 and my marriage. It was from a listener to our show who said that a previous

1:12.2

episode we'd made about sex work had inspired him to check out the website seeking arrangements

1:18.2

and to start paying for sex. We called this listener, Ethan. He was married and his wife found

1:24.2

out and they were in the process of divorcing. And he wanted to talk to us about the experience.

1:30.4

So we called him and made an episode about it.

1:33.4

I was a little bit intrigued after listening to the DSM podcast.

1:38.5

And so I went on and started looking around and started talking you know, talking with people here and there.

1:45.7

And there was one person that, you know, that we seemed to click online. And so, and so, yeah,

1:53.1

we met up and, you know, walked around in a park for a little while and then went back to my place.

2:00.1

Did you have sex?

2:01.9

Yeah.

2:03.3

That interview stuck with me, because on the one hand, Ethan wanted to confess and talk about what had happened.

2:10.5

But as we talked, it became clear that he hadn't really faced the consequences of all his decisions,

2:17.3

not about hiring sex workers necessarily,

2:19.5

but about lying to his now ex-wife and then blaming her and also kind of blaming our podcast

2:25.8

for making him do it. It's been five years since he and I talked, and I recently reached back out

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