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Shider, Ernest, how are you doing?

Thanks for joining us.

Great to be with you today, Stephen.

Well, that's our pleasure.

Maybe you could let our listeners and viewers

know exactly what it is you do.

Yeah, so my, I'm a journalist and my day job is at Reuters where I write about the critical minerals and mining industries.

That's basically the stuff that goes to electronics and electric vehicles like lithium and copper.

But I've written a book based on these industries called

the War Below, lithium, copper, and the global battle to power our lives and it really

dives into the tough choices our world is facing as this green energy

transition accelerates. As a lot more attention is paid towards how we fight climate change

and as more and more battery power devices basically are cropping up

everywhere in our everyday lives.

And the book really goes into the tension point around where do we get the building blocks

for all of these devices and what are the tough choices that we're

willing to make if we want to go green and it's a very human centered story it's not a

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