Now, I'll just edit all this stuff later on and do an introduction because I have a feeling that if I were to have a big introduction about you, that you would be embarrassed and say, that's too nice.

Were you always like that?

What?

Reluctant to be applauded or acknowledged i guess i mean like when so like when i mean i

guess it was different then too like there wasn't the social media there wasn't uh all the things

that are going on now where people are trying as hard as they can to promote themselves.

You know, there wasn't an avenue to promote yourself then.

Well, there was hard copy stuff, magazines and newspapers,

but there wasn't all the selfies, which I'm getting into now.

It's more, but it was a little hard.

But, yeah, it was totally kind of different.

Well, I mean, there's two different ways to do it, right?

There's the look at me and look at how great I am and let me promote all my product

selfie.

And then there's like the, my life's kind of interesting and I'm doing kind of funny stuff

selfie like some of the pictures that we took this weekend they weren't like look at this

badass lady doing this badass thing it was just more like and's on a really cool journey and here's

some pictures of her on it you know yeah? Yeah, I kind of like that.

I like the idea of things being more of a journey, especially as I get older.

So, um, I, that's who I am.

So what you see is what you get.

So where did, where and when did you come up with this idea about the,

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