crayons that you might want to use, paints, papers, life drawings, all of those things, have they then started to impinge on the now moment?

Yeah. So, you know, it's like, yes, you need those things to grab and create with. But if your moment is getting

smaller and smaller and smaller and more and more cramped, then it's difficult for then to be in the in the flow.

Hello and welcome to art juice. This is honest, generous and humorous

conversations that will feed your creative soul and get you thinking.

And today might also be a little bit of a challenge, so it definitely comes under the thinking

category. You're joining me, Alice Sheridan, and I have a lovely guest with me, Helen Sanderson, who has an expertise in an area that I think all of us can benefit from. Helen works as a professional declutterr and if the idea of the phrase of that makes you shrink because we all have those little piles or things that hide in corners that we can't quite face up to.

This is going to be the conversation for you. I know I thought of her this weekend as I was clearing space for open studios and

artists at home but the work she does goes far far deeper than that so I

think this is going to be a great conversation come along with us for the ride and I know that if you put some of what we talk about into action this is going to make changes for you. Welcome to Art Juice Helen. It's lovely to have you here.

Thank you for having me. Great. I'm so pleased to be joining you and of course because I

started off my life journey as an artist. I'm very happy to be serving your audience so that's really great.

Well we had a lovely session in the membership and we were just chatting before we kicked off about

you know the really nice impact that that has had on people in all sorts of different ways which I think we'll kind of come back to as we talk about why this stuff makes such a difference. I think it's interesting just to let people know

there are a couple of things about this. You and I first connected over 10 years ago

on a course which was about bringing what you love into action and making things happen.

And there were quite a few people on that course and I think we connected because I wasn't doing an art project then I was

doing something about your space at home and I think that's why we have kept in

touch so firstly it's interesting that people you meet through these things you're still in touch with and things come round actually quite a long time later.

But just tell us first, why is your environment, from what you've seen, why is our environment and the space

that we create around us so important for people?

Well, firstly, I think that your home is how you express yourself.

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