I'm Alan Alder, and this is clear and vivid conversations about connecting and communicating.

What the current controversy teaches us is that people pushing diversity, the people, the proponents of DEI define

diversity far too narrowly. They almost lacked confidence in their idea. They thought what they were

really doing was simply focusing on gender and racial diversity. And they should have been far

more ambitious. They should have said, what we're really interested in is true diversity across many different domains.

People who think differently, people who make sense of the world differently, I would always joke that in my little company.

We have lots of women, and we have lots of people of color.

We don't have any Republicans.

We're not diverse.

That's Malcolm Gladwell. Still exploring the ways an idea goes viral and changes a culture.

He began his search for the ingredients of social change with his enormously successful book, The Tipping Point.

Now, 25 years later, he has a new book called Revenge of the

Tipping Point, where he digs even deeper and finds clues in unexpected places. Like the surprising

answer to the seemingly unimportant question, why does Harvard University have a women's rugby team?

This is a really interesting thing you've done.

You had this extraordinarily successful book, millions of copies, months on the bestseller list.

And after 25 years, you had second thoughts.

By the way, you know, you're not the only person to have done it.

And Patrick just put out a 25th anniversary book where she wrote in the margins in her own

handwriting. Oh, I should have done that. That would have been easier.

She wrote things that she liked now 25 years later and things that she hated.

Yeah.

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