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Clear+Vivid with Alan Alda

Shannon Vallor: The AI Illusion

Clear+Vivid with Alan Alda

Bobi NYC

Science, Society & Culture, Comedy

4.83.5K Ratings

🗓️ 11 March 2025

⏱️ 41 minutes

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Summary

Artificial intelligence is poised to reshape our world, in many ways for the better. But the gains come with great risks – above all that its seductive appeal lulls us into believing that AI machines know better than we do.

Transcript

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0:00.0

I'm Alan Alder, and this is clear and vivid conversations about connecting and communicating.

0:16.0

So this kind of almost quasi-religious fiction around artificial intelligence is something that is creating

0:23.6

something like the narcissus illusion, where people are looking at machine reflections of their own

0:30.5

intelligence, and instead of seeing themselves, they think they see an image of something greater

0:36.6

than themselves, something that transcends

0:38.7

them in the way that Narcissus, when he looked at the reflection in the water, thought he saw

0:45.6

this incredibly beautiful boy that captivated him, that took his attention away from his own

0:52.2

concerns and his own life because he was obsessed

0:57.0

with what he thought was this other boy in the water.

1:00.0

And a lot of AI evangelists are stoking a similar kind of obsession with the idea of artificial

1:08.0

intelligence.

1:09.0

They want us to lose sight of what we're really looking at when we

1:12.9

interact with AI. That's Shannon Valor. She's a philosopher with a deep admiration for how

1:19.5

artificial intelligence can make the world a better place. But she's also fearful of the cost

1:25.8

if we lose sight of the fact that its seductive appeal

1:29.1

can lull us into believing AI machines know better than we do. Her new book is called

1:35.5

the AI mirror. So AI is pretty much in everybody's life now. We're pretty much either

1:43.9

all using AI or being used by it.

1:47.3

Yep. Or being told that your life is going to be changed by it, whether you want it or not.

1:53.8

So how much of that is true? Well, a lot of it's true, but not in the way that a lot of people are being led to believe.

2:01.9

So I think there's no question that AI technologies will continue to grow, expand, advance,

2:11.3

and become used in our lives in a lot of different ways,

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