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All There Is with Anderson Cooper

Mama Shu: Turning Loss Into Love

All There Is with Anderson Cooper

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Society & Culture

4.88.7K Ratings

🗓️ 24 January 2024

⏱️ 28 minutes

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Summary

Shamayim Harris, known in Detroit as Mama Shu, knows all too well the pain of loss. In 2007 her 2-year-old son Jakobi Ra was killed in a hit and run accident, and in 2021 her other son Chinyelu was murdered. Mama Shu talks with Anderson about how she worked hard to, in her words, “turn my grief into glory and my loss into love.” Focusing on one block in her neighborhood, she began cleaning up blighted properties and has created the non-profit Avalon Village, which aims to be a safe and welcoming space for kids in her community. “This is grief,” she tells Anderson, “it just looks beautiful.” Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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It's so strange when and how grief hits you. I worked all weekend in Los Angeles and flew back to New York late Sunday so I could be home when my kids woke up Monday morning. I was in the car from the airport. It was 2 a.m. but suddenly I was on the

0:16.7

balcony of my mom's apartment, replaying the last seconds of my brother's life. It's like I was trapped, suspended in this obliterating

0:26.3

sadness and swallowed me. The violence of it, the horror of it. I felt like I might pass out, but I just sat there, with tears

0:36.7

dripping from my eyes unable to move. I'm not sure how long exactly I did this in the dark in the backseat of the car.

0:45.0

Finally I forced myself to breathe deeply.

0:49.0

He's gone, I thought.

0:51.0

All of them are gone. I'm alone. This is all there is.

1:00.0

I think I'm going to stop this podcast in a week or two. I think I need to take a break from it for a bit.

1:08.0

I've already done an interview for next week's episode and the following week I want to finish the season with your voices,

1:14.0

with your calls.

1:15.0

I ended last season with your messages

1:18.0

and I think that's how this season should end as well.

1:20.0

We've set up a new phone line for you to call if you'd like to leave a message in our

1:24.3

voicemail box. Let me know if there's something that you've learned in your grief that

1:28.7

might help others. I can't promise we'll use your message but I do promise I'll listen to all of the messages

1:34.5

though it may take me some time.

1:36.7

Feel free to leave your name and phone number but you don't have to. The number to call

1:41.5

is 917-7 6818. That's 917 727 6818 and I'll say that again at the end of the

1:50.3

podcast. We'll be right back with my guest today, a remarkable woman I really

1:55.1

want you to hear from. Her name is Shamaim Mamashoo Harris.

2:01.7

Hey, I'm Dan Harris, host of the 10% happier podcast, which is undergirded by one animating

2:08.8

insight, which is that happiness is not an unalterable factory setting.

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