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Megapod: Why Is There So Much BS in Psychology?

Plain English with Derek Thompson

The Ringer

News Commentary, News

4.8 • 1.8K Ratings

🗓️ 27 November 2024

⏱️ 106 minutes

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Summary

In the last decade, several major findings in social psychology have turned out to be hogwash—or, worse, even fraud. This has become widely known as psychology's "replication crisis." Perhaps you have heard of power poses—based on a study finding that subjects reported stronger “feelings of power” after they posed, say, with their hands on their hips for several minutes. But that finding did not replicate. Or perhaps you have heard of ego depletion—the more famous assertion that, when people make a bunch of decisions, it exhausts their ability to make future decisions. Again: did not replicate. “There’s a thought that’s haunted me for years,” social psychologist Adam Mastroianni has written. “We’re doing all this research in psychology, but are we learning anything? We run these studies and publish these papers, and then what? The stack of papers just gets taller? I’ve never come up with satisfying answers. But now I finally understand why.” Today’s episode features two interviews. First, I talk to Adam about his big-picture critique of his own field: how psychology too often fails as a science, and what it can do better. Second, we speak with journalist Dan Engber from The Atlantic, who has been reporting on a billowing scandal in psychology that has enveloped several business school stars—and raised important questions about the field. What is psychology for? What would progress in psychology mean? And how can this field—which might be the discipline I follow than any other in academia—become more of a science? If you have questions, observations, or ideas for future episodes, email us at [email protected]. Host: Derek Thompson Guests: Adam Mastroianni and Daniel Engber Producer: Devon Baroldi Links: “Is psychology going to Cincinnati?” by Adam Mastroianni  https://www.experimental-history.com/p/is-psychology-going-to-cincinnati "I’m so sorry for psychology’s loss, whatever it is" by Adam Mastroianni  https://www.experimental-history.com/p/im-so-sorry-for-psychologys-loss#footnote-anchor-3-136506668 “The Business-School Scandal That Just Keeps Getting Bigger” by Daniel Engber  https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2025/01/business-school-fraud-research/680669/ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Transcript

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0:00.0

Did you know that scientific studies have found most people lie once every 10 minutes?

0:09.1

In my new podcast, Truthless, I'm talking to people about the lies, they tell,

0:14.5

from faking illnesses in high-pressure moments to making up stories on national TV.

0:21.9

From Spotify and the Ringer Podcast Network, I'm Brian Phillips.

0:26.6

Listen to Truthless on Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts.

0:30.4

Thank you. You know what that is.

0:43.3

An ice cold beer.

0:46.3

What's different?

0:49.3

It's Budweiser, a perfect beer for party season.

0:53.3

Best enjoyed with your best The perfect beer for party season.

0:59.0

Best enjoyed with your best butts. Cheers to that.

1:02.0

Budweiser, like no other.

1:04.0

Please drink responsibly.

1:06.0

For the facts, visit drinkaware.co.com.

1:08.0

Today's episode must start with a confession.

1:15.1

I adore psychology.

1:17.9

I wish I had majored in it.

1:20.4

Some of my favorite episodes that we've done in this show

1:22.4

have been with psychologists who I think do interesting,

1:26.7

important, and true work.

1:29.3

But for a long time, my love of psychology has been intertwined with this other feeling,

1:36.3

a darker feeling, that sometimes when I'm reading a book or a paper that is filling me with that best feeling,

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