This is not the society that fought the six day war or the Omke poor war.

This is a very different place and I think that the way this is commemorated in five years or ten years

depends to a large extent on what happens to our leadership in the next five or ten years.

So if we can regain a unified leadership,

if we can somehow channel the incredible resilience

and kind of grim determination of the majority of Israelis and translate that into a government that represents the Zionist majority in Israel, then I think you'll have a unified commemoration in five years if this divisive style of government continues and we see

the fissures in Israeli society continue to expand then I'm not sure where

we're going to be in five years or ten years not just in terms of where the

commemoration is but in terms of where the commemoration is, here in New York City. It's 4.15 p.m PM in Israel as Israelis wind down their day.

And I'm pleased to welcome back to this podcast, Matty Friedman, a best-selling author,

longtime journalist, currently a columnist writer for the free press.

Mati, where does this podcast find you?

It finds me at home in Jerusalem.

So in full transparency, Monte, I think we should let our listeners know the sausage making of the

Call Me Back podcast.

We had originally recorded a conversation you and I two weeks ago

two weeks ago while you were in New York City.

We actually had two talks in New York City.

One was for the podcast and then we also spoke in an event together and we had recorded that

conversation for our special video series one

years since October 7th and it was right after the pager attack however before

Nasrala was killed by the IDF that period the killing of Nasrallah was killed by the IDF. That period, the killing of Nasrela, was a turning point in the war in which

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