From KCRW, I'm Evan Klyman, and I'm here with a special bonus episode for Good Food

listeners.

Our colleagues over at Life Examined recently interviewed Michael Pollan. Long time listeners have heard my conversations with him over the years about our food systems

and probably have tuned into his exploration of psychedelics.

Life-Examined host Jonathan Bess into his exploration of psychedelics.

Life Examined host Jonathan Bastion spoke with pollen about plants, caffeine, solaceb and

more.

I think you'll enjoy their conversation.

Search for Life Examined in this podcast app to hear more.

I'm Jonathan Bastion. This week on KCRW's Life Examined. Magic mushrooms, food and caffeine, author Michael Pollan's 30-year journey into the human-plant relationship,

and why psychedelics are enjoying a revival.

One way to think about the mind is as a hill covered in snow and imagine us letting down the hill.

The metaphor suggests the psychedelic experience is like a fresh snowfall.

It fills all the grooves on that hill allowing you to go down the

hill along new paths. And vegan, vegetarian, or ultra-processed pollen spills it all.

Plus why he's hopeful.

The food movement now has some powerful allies.

Corey Booker, an African American legislator from an urban state on the Ag Committee,

he has connected the dots that the public health challenges

are connected to the agricultural policies.

Investigative journalist, writer, and author Michael Pollen on his long

amazing trip into the world of food and the new science of

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