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MINDHUNTER: EVOLUTION

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Cold Case Murder Mysteries

True Crime

3.81.6K Ratings

🗓️ 24 May 2022

⏱️ 65 minutes

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Summary

Holden Ford sets off on his journey to become the Mindhunter and enlighten his audience about criminal psychology, but his progress comes to a screeching halt when faced with a terrifying, unavoidable question staring back at him in the classroom:

How do I get my audience to feel empathy for Charles Manson?

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0:00.0

Hey everybody welcome back to Cold Case Murder Mysteries. I'm your host

0:10.4

Ryan Kraus joining you once again for the next episode in the Mindhunter series.

0:16.1

When we left off last time, we were talking about Holden meeting Debbie in the bar and the

0:21.6

implications of that meeting moving forward.

0:25.0

Now, women are often agents of change for stagnant men, and here we see this young woman

0:31.0

asking Holden what he does as a precursor to knowing the problem and

0:36.4

therefore what the solution will be. Holden says he teaches hostage

0:41.3

negotiation for the FBI. So it's apparent to Debbie that he stuck

0:46.3

somewhere emotionally. And since she is one of those monsters I mentioned, but a good one,

0:52.3

one that makes us afraid of change for the better, she'll fix that.

0:57.2

So we need to hear some type of implication that she is a healer, a doctor of some sort, a savior, because that is what

1:05.8

transcendent characters do and also what their allies do for them. She tells him that she's on the way to getting a PhD in

1:15.2

sociology, so she's going to be a doctor and he suddenly realizes something.

1:20.8

That's a deficit for him. He doesn't have the education he needs to

1:26.2

understand the criminals in society today, meaning why they do, what they do.

1:31.8

She starts talking about these ideas and asking if Holden's read

1:37.1

this or that, but he finally just realizes he's ignorant and asks her to make a reading list. He realizes he's that far behind on all of this.

1:48.0

She's enlightening him as to the path he needs to travel in order to get to his goal.

1:54.6

And again, that's what your physical reality is.

1:58.2

It is manifesting the necessity of your emotional life, everything you see in front of you from objects to people is creating a manifested version of your emotional world.

2:11.0

So here is Holden with an emotional deficit of needing to become something.

2:16.5

And so in physicality, the universe brings the necessary conduit of change in the form of Debbie.

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