public schools are actually forcing premature separation between parents and children.

This isn't new that the academic elites are kind of telling the wrong story. And what that does is

it makes the relationships less rewarding. The child naturally feels rejected. A woman has to want

to put her kids first, always, forever, until death.

And that is unbelievably countercultural.

That is unbelievably unpolitically correct.

And yet, it is the truth.

Music Five percent of college educated American women are choosing to defy today's cultural norms and have five or more children.

My guest today is a social scientist, mother of eight herself, and traveled around the country to interview these moms on not only how they're handling such a large family in this economy,

but why this was an important choice for them and our nation.

If you have always dreamed of a big family but are unsure how people afford it,

have one yourself, or just find large families fascinating,

this interview reviews my guest research and connection of some of the most extraordinary

countercultural women among us.

As she says, if America has a future, these women are the reason. Cold chills.

Watch this interview on the real Alex Clark YouTube channel. Make sure you leave a five-star review

for us if you appreciate unique guests like today's and look for a link to make a tax-deductible

donation to support the show in the show notes.

This podcast is possible because of generous donations from listeners like you.

Her brand new book is called Hannah's Children, The Women Quietly Defying the Birth Dirt.

Please welcome author and social scientist Catherine Packalook on today's episode of Culture Apopacare.

How did we become a two-child world?

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