OpenAI Chief Research Officer Mark Chen: GPT 4.5 is Live and Scaling Isn’t Dead

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Alex Kantrowitz

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4.6 • 395 Ratings

🗓️ 27 February 2025

⏱️ 24 minutes

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Mark Chen is the chief research officer at OpenAI. Chen joins Big Technology Podcast to discuss the debut of GPT 4.5, the company's largest model, which is going live today. In this bonus episode, Chen speaks about what the new model says about the AI scaling wall, how scaling traditional GPT models compares to reasoning models like OpenAI's o1, how important EQ is for AI models today, whether product matters more than models, and how OpenAI's talent bench looks after last year's departures. Tune in for an inside look at what it took to build OpenAI's newest and biggest large language model, and why OpenAI is committed to pushing the frontier forward.

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0:00.0	OpenAI Chief Research Officer Mark Chen is here to talk about the release of GPT 4.5, the company's largest and best model yet, which is coming out today.
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0:44.6	Welcome to Big Technology Podcast, a show for cool-headed, nuanced conversation of the tech world
0:49.0	and beyond. We're joined today by Mark Chen, the chief research officer at OpenAI, who's here to talk about the company's newest release.
0:57.2	JPT 4.5. Yes, it's finally here, and it is debuting today. Mark, great to see you. Welcome to the show.
1:03.8	Thank you so much for having me on.
1:05.5	Thanks for being here. This is in four and a half years of the show, our first Open AI interview.
1:10.6	So hopefully the first of many,
1:12.3	we appreciate you jumping into the water like this. And it's on big news with the release of GPT 4.5.
1:19.9	Yeah. So GPD 4.5, really, it signifies the latest milestone in our predictable scaling paradigm.
1:29.0	So, you know, previous models that have fit this paradigm have been GPD3, 3.5, 4,
1:34.3	and now this is the latest thing.
1:36.4	It signifies an order of magnitude improvement over the last models,
1:39.8	kind of commensurate with the jump from 3.5 to 4.
1:42.9	I think the question that most of our listeners are going to be asking, and certainly
1:46.6	we've asked on our show in the past couple months, is why isn't this GPT-5?
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