It's not about optimism, but it's about hope.

Optimism makes you lazy.

It's, oh, everything will be all right.

You can just lie back.

Hope is about getting up and doing something, right?

Hope impels you to act.

It's about the possibility of change.

And I think that good journalism should be infused by hope.

Thank you. by hope.

You're listening to Doing It Right with me, Pandora Sykes, a podcast where I talk to experts about the myths, anxieties, trivialities and trends of modern life.

There's no such thing as the right life,

but what might we be getting wrong? In this series I'll be exploring outrage culture,

arrival fallacy and the perils of instant gratification and lobbing some pretty big

questions at my guests like, why do human beings find change

so hard? What would a more inclusive society look like? And what is the difference between optimism

and hope? This is a podcast that looks at the little things and the big things and asks,

what can we do to live life better? Not just for ourselves, but for everyone.

Rutka Bregman is a journalist and historian and the author of two best-selling books,

Utopia for Realists, Rupert Murdoch was pictured reading it on a Sunlanger,

and a new one, humankind, a hopeful history.

A dissection of popular myths about modern society, including the bystander effect and

the Lord of the Flies theory, that people will descend into cannibalistic chaos when left

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