Well, we are in the middle of Max Fun Drive, my friend. This is the time of year, every year,

where we ask you to join the Max Fun family. As you know, Maximum Fun is artist owned. It is

audience supported. It is your network. So this is the time of year for you to join the family.

We'll explain a little bit more about the gifts that we got for you and what your membership gets you a little bit later in the show. But for now,

while we're talking about it, while it is front of mind, join us now, won't you please,

at maximum fun.org slash join. Enjoy the show. Oh my god. Hi, it's me Dave Holmes. Welcome to

Troubled Waters, the show that treats popular culture as the most important kind of culture.

To celebrate it, analyze it, eviscerate it. Troubled Waters pits a pair of entertainers against

one another in a pop culture battle to the ego death. To win this battle, each guest will be called upon to use their

smarts, their rhetorical skills, the great comebacks that they have been saving in their notes app,

to earn the coveted Troubled Waters title Pundit Emeritus, which will automatically give their

opinion on how much Walton Goggins

an HBO Sunday night can bear more weight than a civilians. You are listening to troubled waters. Let's meet our guests.

Our first contestant is new to the Max Fun Family.

It's got a brand new podcast here called Walking About.

You can see him in the Interior, Chinatown, and The Threesome.

It's Alan McLeod.

Welcome to the show and welcome to the family, Alan McLeod.

Oh, my gosh.

Thank you so much.

I'm so happy to be here. I just got a little rainy walk on, Alan McLeod. Oh, my gosh. Thank you so much. I'm so happy to be here.

I just got a little rainy walk on, which pump me up because I'm not normally this competitive.

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