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Plain History: The Smoot-Hawley Tariff and the Great Depression

Plain English with Derek Thompson

The Ringer

News Commentary, News

4.81.8K Ratings

🗓️ 11 April 2025

⏱️ 48 minutes

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Summary

The 1920s and the 2020s share a special kinship. One hundred years ago, the U.S. was grappling with a mix of growth, technological splendor, and generational anxiety—a familiar cocktail (albeit, from an era where cocktails were illegal). The era’s young people felt uniquely besieged by global forces. “My whole generation is restless," F. Scott Fitzgerald wrote in This Side of Paradise. “A new generation dedicated more than the last to the fear of poverty and the worship of success; grown up to find all Gods dead, all wars fought, all faiths in man shaken." America was changing. And change always implies a kind of loss. We were moving toward cars and cities and manufacturing. And that meant we were moving away from horses and farmland and agriculture. And so, in 1930, just months into the Great Depression, Herbert Hoover signed a new piece of legislation to restore farmers to their previous glory. It was a great big tariff—the Smoot-Hawley Tariff. Rather than save the economy, it deepened the depression. Today, the Smoot-Hawley Tariff is one of the most infamous failures in the history of American politics. To suggest that it holds lessons for this moment in history is to state the obvious. Our guest is Douglas Irwin, an economist and historian at Dartmouth University and an expert on the economic debates of the Great Depression. We talk about the economic motivations of the Smoot-Hawley tariff, the congressional debates that shaped it, the president who signed it, and the legacy it left. We talk about the economic instinct to preserve the past—an instinct that has never gone away in American history—and the profound irony, that some efforts to return America to its former glory can have the unintended effect of robbing America of a richer future. If you have questions, observations, or ideas for future episodes, email us at [email protected]. Host: Derek Thompson Guest: Douglas Irwin Producer: Devon Baroldi Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:06.3

Major season is finally upon us.

0:10.1

The Masters, the PGA Championship, the U.S. Open, the Open Championship,

0:15.1

and Fairway Rowan is here to break down all of the storylines.

0:20.3

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0:24.5

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0:32.6

ground, Nathan Hubbard, as we guide you from Augusta all the way to Northern Ireland.

0:38.7

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1:14.2

When we think about the most infamous laws in American history,

1:18.7

that list is unfortunately not short.

1:23.7

The Alien and Sedition Acts of 1798

1:26.5

criminalized forms of political criticism.

1:30.8

The Indian Removal Act forcibly removed and directly killed thousands of Native Americans.

1:36.7

America's history of slavery and racism, from the three-fifths compromise to the Jim Crow

1:41.3

laws, is a long scroll of shame.

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