Every week, Hillsdale College President Larry Arne joins Hugh Hewitt to discuss great books, great men, and great ideas.

This is Hillsdale Dialogues, part of the Hillsdale College Podcast Network. More episodes at

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Morning, glory, America.

Bonjour.

Hi, Canada.

I'm Hugh Hewitt.

And we've moved to a new time,

but the Hillsdale dialogue has moved along with us. It's the last hour of the week of the Hugh Hewitt, and we've moved to a new time, but the Hillsdale Dialogue has moved along with us.

It's the last hour of the week of the Hugh Hewitt shown has been for a decade.

And if you're new to the program, because we moved to afternoon drive in the east and noon to three in the west,

I want you to know that you can find all prior Hillsdale dialogues at Hillsdale.edu.

We are in the Republic of Plato, translation by Alan Bloom.

And this is the hour in which we go high. And we're in book eight and nine this hour,

which means it's the penultimate walkthrough. And we spent probably a dozen weeks on the Republic

of Plato. And I encourage you to go back. All things Hillsdale are collected at Hillsdale.

At Hillsdale.edu, all the dialogues at Hugh for

Hillsdale.com.

My guest today are the president of Hillsdale College, Dr. Larry Arne, and Dr. Daniel O'Toole,

professor of philosophy, political theory, at Nilsdale, where he teaches the Republic often.

So I'm going to begin with you, Dr. O'Toole, as we begin to land the plane, and we'll land it next week.

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