Hello everyone and welcome to Talk Nurdy.

Today is Monday, May 11th, 2020 and I'm the host of the show Kara Santa Maria

and this week we talked to a very special author who wrote a very special book but before we dive into that I want to thank those of you who continue to make Talk Nurdy possible each and every week.

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All right, so let's talk about this week's episode.

I have the opportunity to talk to the author of the new book,

Nobody's Child, a Tragedy, a Trial,

and a History of the Ins insanity defense, written by Dr. Susan Vinicore.

Now, Susan is a previous defender in the Office of Legal Aid in Detroit, and then she went back. a psychologist for many years and she has a wealth of information and a lot of personal

experience advocating for young children in the courts. She also did a lot of

research to understand the insanity defense at its core and the real

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