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Glenn Elmer's is a research fellow at the Claremont Institute and the author of The Soul of Politics, Harry Jaffa,

and the Fight for America. I believe we covered that on the podcast about a year and a half ago,

Glenn. We did. Thanks. His new book is The Narrow Passage, Plato, Foucault, and the possibility

of political philosophy. That's our topic today. Welcome, Dr. Elmer's.

Thank you, Mark. Thanks for having me. First line of the book, you are being manipulated.

Is this the, well, actually, you go on to say, later in the paragraph,

Americans are lied to on a daily basis. That's what really gets to me. Is this

now, is this really the first principle now of political understanding in the 21st century?

I think so. So let me just say, I mentioned Foucault in the title and a lot of my conservative friends, friends on the right, don't understand why I would take that guy seriously.

But Foucault and the other deconstructionists, who he didn't take seriously in the 80s and 90s when they were writing, actually turned out to be pretty perceptive because they saw we're living in a postmodern world.

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