This is John Batchel, a conversation with colleague John Hardy. He watches the Ukraine

conflict for a foundation for the defensive democracies, asking where in the Russian position

the demands, Keith to change regimes, Keith to disarm and not join NATO,

Keith to recognize that Russia is going to take four provinces,

Harrison, Sapericia, Luhansk, in addition to Crimea.

Where can Russia show that it can in some fashion negotiate.

John points to the regime change.

Here, I'll explain quickly.

John Hardy, Foundation with Defense of Democracy, later tonight on Ukraine.

The Russian side, I think, you know, eventually they're going to have to come to grips

with the fact that they're not going to replace Zelensky. I'm not sure to the extent to which

Putin really understands that. The fact that he's been pushing for elections kind of suggests

he holds out hope of doing that. If one were to kind of give way first, I think that'd probably

be the first, just given that it's so completely unrealistic at this point in time.