And now we're going to be unpacking the politics of the day and the stuff that's even more important than politics.

And joining me are two of the cleverest Dicks from The Times and the Sunday Times.

That's what it says here. It's a bit rude. And they are Libby Purvis. Hello, Libby. How are you?

Hello. Dear me. And James Marriott. Hello, James. Hello.

Are we both very well?

Yeah, I think we are.

Libby, what's the tea? What's news?

Well, the sun's out here, which that's something only tell when the sun comes out, because I can see my face on a monitor in front of me, and one side of it starts glowing with an ethereal white light.

And I go, it must be nice out there where I'm not. Let's crack on, lots to cover. We need to talk

about Ukraine to start with. Kis Stama will be urging the White House to promise lasting security

guarantees to Kiev when he flies to Washington next week, but has accepted that Europe must take responsibility for its own security.

The Prime Minister is facing mounting pressure from Labour MPs

to raise the government's defence spending target beyond 2.5% of GDP.

Libby, the British public generally are very much supportive of Ukraine, supportive of efforts to defend Ukraine and so on.

Do you think we'll keep being supportive if it means spending more money and indeed committing troops?

Yes, it's interesting. I mean, all along the roads and lanes here, we still have the Ukraine-colored flags and streamers that people have put up.

You know, been there for a couple of years now, sadly.

I think it would have to be very carefully presented.

You know, the fact that Ukraine is going to clearly have to give up quite a lot of land,

that it's having to be as reasonable as you can possibly be,

and also that defence against Russia affects all

of Europe and affects NATO. But the underlying question is absolutely about our pathetic

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