From KCRW, I'm Evan Klyman, and this is Good Food.

Last October, I interviewed Karen E. Fisher.

She's a professor at the University of Washington's Information School

and an embedded field researcher with UNHCR Jordan.

We spoke about Zatari, the largest Syrian refugee camp in the world,

and the cookbook that Karen facilitated documenting food and life inside the camp. Our conversation

stuck with me for months, and as Ramadan approached, I wanted to know what is it like to celebrate

Ramadan and Zatari, which is home to nearly 80,000 Syrian refugees. It's so wonderful to have

Karen back on good food. Hi. Hi, Evan. Thank you for having me back. I'm so happy. Me too. Karen,

for people who missed our previous conversation,

can you describe Zatari for us, kind of set the scene? Sure. Zatari is in northern Jordan,

right across the border from Syria. It was set up, it was just a barren desert, and then in July

2012, when the Syrian war has started,

a few families had come across the border seeking, you know, safety from the war. And then

over the next year, there was over 140,000 people inside Zatari. After that, the number went down

to about 83,000 because the Camacan only, you know, holds so many people.

But it's basically like a large city.

Initially, the people lived in canvas tents provided by UNHCR.

And then that was later changed to metal caravans.

But inside the camp, it's a closed refugee camp, high security.

You have to have permission to enter all

items that enter the camp. No, they have to have a permit for it, things like this. But, you know,

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