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Welcome to Rationally Speaking, the podcast where we explore the borderlands between reason and nonsense.

I'm your host, Julia Galef, and it is my pleasure to introduce you to today's guest, Peter Eckersley.

Peter was, until recently, the chief computer scientist for the Electronic Frontier Foundation, which is a non-profit focused on

promoting privacy and free speech and autonomy on the internet. Now he is the director of research

at the Partnership on AI, which is an organization that includes a lot of the major tech companies focused on developing best practices around artificial intelligence as it develops.

And his PhD is in computer science and law at the University of Melbourne.

Peter, welcome to rationally speaking.

Thank you, Julia.

So you focus on a number

of topics, including privacy and artificial intelligence and safety and regulations around artificial

intelligence, so we're going to cover a lot of that. But I thought we'd start with privacy. So there has

been an increasing amount of attention, public scrutiny of privacy in ways that tech companies have been failing to protect our privacy, especially attention, especially since the Cambridge Analytica scandal.

And I was wondering what you think about how well the public's attention on this issue is allocated.

Like, do you think that we are basically most concerned about the most important privacy problems,

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