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Hello and welcome to the long form podcast. I'm Evan Ratl one of the co-hosts we are off for the holidays and so we wanted to highlight an episode from earlier in 2023.

In this case it's my interview with Roxanna Asgarian, a reporter based in Texas who had a great book out this year called We Were Once a family. It's a real feat of both reporting and of sensitivity and empathy towards some very difficult subjects.

And I thought we had a great conversation, so we thought we'd bring it back just to set it up a little bit if you

haven't read the book to help you follow the conversation. In 2018 there was a

truly horrific accident in Oregon in which an SUV with a couple and their six children drove off a cliff.

The parents were white, the children were black and had been adopted, the police

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