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Welcome to Trust Me.

The podcast about cults, extreme belief, and manipulation from two people who've actually

experienced it. I am Loa Blanc and my co-host is Megan Elizabeth. She is not able to join for this

intro today. Don't worry. She is safe. But she was a part of the interview itself. So today is a rerun

because we live in Los Angeles and obviously everything is crazy right now. We will be getting back to new

episodes soon. But today is a rerun of the first part of our interview with Frank Leiford,

Survivor of Heavens Gate. Frank was a member of the group until he left after 18 years, just a few

years before discovering that his friends and loved ones in the group had died by suicide. In part one, he tells us how

he began following the leader's tea and dough what it was like living a nomadic lifestyle with what was

called his check partner and what happened when they all settled in one place for class. They discussed

being separated from the love of his life, how the rules became more strict and controlling,

and how much darker things got

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