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The Bulwark Podcast

S2 Ep1027: Jonathan Rauch: Focus On the Corruption

The Bulwark Podcast

The Bulwark

Politics, News, News Commentary

4.68.9K Ratings

🗓️ 23 April 2025

⏱️ 58 minutes

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Summary

Trump may be brilliant at assaulting us with his daily distractions, but Democrats need to relentlessly target his corruption because that may be his weak spot. He is running the government in a pre-modern way—like it's his own personal piggy bank. And he has replaced rules-oriented bureaucrats with mostly incompetent loyalists who are only there to do his bidding. Meanwhile, Christianity could help heal the country's partisan polarization if it returns to the teachings of Jesus instead of the gospel of Donald Trump. Plus, the constant burden of having to fight the cognitive warfare and sensory overload coming out of the White House. 

Brookings’ Jonathan Rauch joins Tim Miller.joins Tim Miller. 

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Sun Express, non-stop sunshine. Hello and welcome to the Bullwark podcast. I'm your host Tim Miller. It's Wednesday. So if you're looking for political hot takes on Mayor Pete's voyage into the manosphere, Scotty Besson's damage control, Trump's approval numbers, head on over to the next level podcast with Sarah JVL and I. That's going to come out later

0:55.4

this evening, comes out on Wednesday evenings. But on this show, we're getting a little

0:59.8

sociological and ecclesiastical and welcoming senior fellow in governance studies at the

1:05.0

Brookings Institution, a contributing writer at the Atlantic. His latest book is Cross Purpose.

1:09.6

Christianity's Broken Bargain with Democracy. It's Jonathan Rauch. Hey Purpose. Christianity's broken bargain with democracy.

1:11.6

It's Jonathan Roush. Hey, Jonathan. Hi, happy to be here. Welcome, welcome. I guess you were on

1:17.0

the spot with Charlie a while back. I was trying to check. I went and re-listen to that this morning.

1:21.4

So it's a welcome back, not a welcome. Appreciate you. And I want to get to the new book in a bit, I promise.

1:28.4

But I feel like I have to pick your brain about what's happening in D.C. first.

1:32.7

You wrote a column for years called what's called Social Studies.

1:37.2

Is that right?

1:37.9

Yeah.

1:38.2

I'm kind of how government society interact and function.

1:40.8

And so looking at the first three months of this administration, did you ever imagine

1:45.7

the social studies will look anything like this? No, no. You know, I'm in the same boat. A lot of people are.

1:51.5

I'm astonished, bewildered, disoriented, dismayed, distressed, distracted, sometimes depressed.

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