One of the surprises for me about kind of this trajectory open area has launched onto since the launch of chat GPT is how many things can go wrong by 1 o'clock in the afternoon.

Hey everyone, it's Adam Grant. Welcome back to Rethinking, my podcast on the Science of What Makes Us Tick with the TED Audio Collective.

I'm an organizational psychologist,

and I'm taking you inside the minds of fascinating people

to explore new thoughts and new ways of thinking.

My guest today is Sam Altman, CEO and co-founder of OpenAI.

Since Sam and his colleagues first streamed up ChatGPT, a lot has changed.

You and I are living through this once-in-human history transition, where humans go from being the smartest thing on planet Earth to not the smartest thing on planet Earth.

The exponential progress of AI has made me rethink many of my assumptions about what's uniquely human and

raised far more questions than answers. Since the source code is a black box, I figured it was

time to go to the source himself. Having crossed past with Sam at a few events, I've appreciated

his willingness to think out loud instead of just sticking to scripted talking points, even when

his opinions are unpopular.

I suspect that in a couple of years,

on almost any topic,

the most interesting,

maybe the most empathetic conversation

that you could have will be with an AI.

Sam Altman does his own tech check.

How did that happen?

Ah, you know, I don't know. It's fine.

There's no handler here.

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