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Out now, former deputy team principal of Williams F1, Claire Williams, and comedian Sarah Pasco.

I had set fire to anyone to get what I wanted at the beginning. I thought I am scrabbling my way out.

I am a terrier. I thought that was the only way to get ahead.

The mistake I made was if they like this dog jumping at a balloon,

imagine how much they're going to like me.

And they just stared at me, which is absolutely failure.

There is absolutely no point in only being good when you're winning,

or only being good when everyone likes you,

or only taking pleasure in the

wins and that is true for all of us. That is Sarah Pascoe, best-selling author, a claimed stand-up,

regular star of hit comedy panel shows such as QI and Taskmaster and also the host of the

great British sewing beat. Look, there's no doubt she is multi-talented, hugely successful, but today

Sarah sits down with me, Jake Humphrey, and our expert, Damien Hughes, to talk about so much

more than just telling jokes. Yeah, very much. I was amazed by how she revealed the way she talks

to herself before she walks onto a stage and listen out for that story

she reveals about one of Britain's biggest comedians and how they found little joy in winning

the biggest comedy award in Britain. And in many ways, Damien, that's the message from this

episode, that achievements won't transform yourself worth. Sarah talks about struggles at school,

bombing on stage,

lessons from therapy, and actually why the real stuff, the stuff at home, the stuff with friends,

the stuff with family, that is where happiness lies. And if you love this conversation,

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